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	<title>Comments on: The myth of the page fold: evidence from user&#160;testing</title>
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		<title>By: WSz</title>
		<link>http://www.cxpartners.co.uk/thoughts/the_myth_of_the_page_fold_evidence_from_user_testing.htm/comment-page-3#comment-600</link>
		<dc:creator>WSz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always get clients that don&#039;t want their websites to scroll, like that is at all feasible. With the surge of mobile browsers (e.g., iPhone), site designers have to evolve, and simply packing everything above the fold is a ridiculous solution. I try to explain to them the sea of different resolutions out there, and that designing a website for their monitors isn&#039;t how it&#039;s done. It&#039;s surprising how many don&#039;t fully understand the fluidity of the web. But I digress.

It&#039;s nice to have some empirical evidence behind something I had always deep downed believed to be true. A shame that when Nielsen original came out with that discovery, people chose to adopt a &quot;baby with the bathwater&quot; approach. I&#039;m glad you did a much more robust study and have provided that data for the public. It doesn&#039;t change the way I design, but it may perhaps sway those stubborn clients that are unwilling to shed archaic design theories.

Great job!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always get clients that don&#8217;t want their websites to scroll, like that is at all feasible. With the surge of mobile browsers (e.g., iPhone), site designers have to evolve, and simply packing everything above the fold is a ridiculous solution. I try to explain to them the sea of different resolutions out there, and that designing a website for their monitors isn&#8217;t how it&#8217;s done. It&#8217;s surprising how many don&#8217;t fully understand the fluidity of the web. But I digress.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s nice to have some empirical evidence behind something I had always deep downed believed to be true. A shame that when Nielsen original came out with that discovery, people chose to adopt a &#8220;baby with the bathwater&#8221; approach. I&#8217;m glad you did a much more robust study and have provided that data for the public. It doesn&#8217;t change the way I design, but it may perhaps sway those stubborn clients that are unwilling to shed archaic design theories.</p>
<p>Great job!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the solution is to have compelling content above the fold. Part of the solution is to design your page so that it doesn&#039;t look like it ends at the fold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the solution is to have compelling content above the fold. Part of the solution is to design your page so that it doesn&#8217;t look like it ends at the fold.</p>
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		<title>By: ecommer</title>
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		<dc:creator>ecommer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The solution would be to add some content above the fold compelling enough to make visitors scroll down to find out more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The solution would be to add some content above the fold compelling enough to make visitors scroll down to find out more.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Artka</title>
		<link>http://www.cxpartners.co.uk/thoughts/the_myth_of_the_page_fold_evidence_from_user_testing.htm/comment-page-3#comment-576</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Artka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Al:

If your boss is the only person using your website, you are stuck.. if not, explain to him(or her) that other users do not, in any way shape or form, browse on the same machine as him, with the same screen size as him, or in the same way as him.. There are too many variables out there to design based on one person&#039;s ways... even if he/she is the &quot;boss&quot;.

B</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Al:</p>
<p>If your boss is the only person using your website, you are stuck.. if not, explain to him(or her) that other users do not, in any way shape or form, browse on the same machine as him, with the same screen size as him, or in the same way as him.. There are too many variables out there to design based on one person&#8217;s ways&#8230; even if he/she is the &#8220;boss&#8221;.</p>
<p>B</p>
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		<title>By: Andew Male</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andew Male</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article! In our experience the client is always very concenred to put as much info as possible above the fold; it seems to be &#039;the thing&#039; right now. It is always very useful to find testing evidence to show the good and bad of this approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article! In our experience the client is always very concenred to put as much info as possible above the fold; it seems to be &#8216;the thing&#8217; right now. It is always very useful to find testing evidence to show the good and bad of this approach.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think anybody is arguing that below the fold content is never seen or that users are too lazy to scroll if they don&#039;t immediately find what they&#039;re looking for. The first thing your users see in the view port however, should always be a consideration.

Would it be smarter of Amazon for instance, to use that massive sale ad on their home page or do that thing where they show the last set of products I browsed? Which is more likely to result in an impulse buy if I had just intended to use the home page for its global nav or search bar?

For the love of all that&#039;s holy, don&#039;t cram all your content to avoid scrolling, but don&#039;t take to the opposite extreme and pretend that the fold is irrelevant. If it was, we could devote it completely to ad space and make people scroll for the global nav without repercussions.

I respect data but I think this may be a classic forest for the trees example of confusing &#039;duh&#039; for discovery. Yes, after people have loaded a page and they don&#039;t find the content they wanted, they will scroll for it. Does that prove that it&#039;s the best experience you can offer or merely that people will tolerate a little bit of effort to get to what they want?

And yes, when you ask people in a group they&#039;re being paid to be a part of whether they think scrolling is a hassle they&#039;re not likely to want to be labeled &#039;the difficult one&#039; no matter how much you make it clear you want their honest opinion. Especially in the UK if your comedians are lampooning real cultural phenomenons.

Sorry but I think logic trumps data on this one. I do think eyeball tracking is neat and useful for studying layout flow but it doesn&#039;t prove half the things people seem to think it does.

Likewise, whether something should or shouldn&#039;t go above the fold isn&#039;t a true/false scenario to be tested out in a lab or bandied about as an iron clad best practice. It&#039;s a qualitative evaluation of what&#039;s most important for users to have access to or see right away in light of your specific goals and your specific users&#039; wants/needs. That&#039;s what design is all about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think anybody is arguing that below the fold content is never seen or that users are too lazy to scroll if they don&#8217;t immediately find what they&#8217;re looking for. The first thing your users see in the view port however, should always be a consideration.</p>
<p>Would it be smarter of Amazon for instance, to use that massive sale ad on their home page or do that thing where they show the last set of products I browsed? Which is more likely to result in an impulse buy if I had just intended to use the home page for its global nav or search bar?</p>
<p>For the love of all that&#8217;s holy, don&#8217;t cram all your content to avoid scrolling, but don&#8217;t take to the opposite extreme and pretend that the fold is irrelevant. If it was, we could devote it completely to ad space and make people scroll for the global nav without repercussions.</p>
<p>I respect data but I think this may be a classic forest for the trees example of confusing &#8216;duh&#8217; for discovery. Yes, after people have loaded a page and they don&#8217;t find the content they wanted, they will scroll for it. Does that prove that it&#8217;s the best experience you can offer or merely that people will tolerate a little bit of effort to get to what they want?</p>
<p>And yes, when you ask people in a group they&#8217;re being paid to be a part of whether they think scrolling is a hassle they&#8217;re not likely to want to be labeled &#8216;the difficult one&#8217; no matter how much you make it clear you want their honest opinion. Especially in the UK if your comedians are lampooning real cultural phenomenons.</p>
<p>Sorry but I think logic trumps data on this one. I do think eyeball tracking is neat and useful for studying layout flow but it doesn&#8217;t prove half the things people seem to think it does.</p>
<p>Likewise, whether something should or shouldn&#8217;t go above the fold isn&#8217;t a true/false scenario to be tested out in a lab or bandied about as an iron clad best practice. It&#8217;s a qualitative evaluation of what&#8217;s most important for users to have access to or see right away in light of your specific goals and your specific users&#8217; wants/needs. That&#8217;s what design is all about.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rusty: Exactly.

Abovethefolditis is the symptom. Failure to choose the ONE thing that the page is about is the cause. Advertising is perhaps the greatest contributor to that failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rusty: Exactly.</p>
<p>Abovethefolditis is the symptom. Failure to choose the ONE thing that the page is about is the cause. Advertising is perhaps the greatest contributor to that failure.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aka: Abovethafolditus

Description:  Cram everything above the fold so that it&#039;s all junked up and cluttered as hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aka: Abovethafolditus</p>
<p>Description:  Cram everything above the fold so that it&#8217;s all junked up and cluttered as hell.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve put our own two cents in on this on our blog.  The long and short is that while people scroll, and it doesn&#039;t matter in the way people think, it does matter what people find in the first split second they get to your site.  Sites like Amazon have designs that work because of who they are. Anyhow, our post on the matter: http://bit.ly/6I1rvl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve put our own two cents in on this on our blog.  The long and short is that while people scroll, and it doesn&#8217;t matter in the way people think, it does matter what people find in the first split second they get to your site.  Sites like Amazon have designs that work because of who they are. Anyhow, our post on the matter: <a href="http://bit.ly/6I1rvl" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/6I1rvl</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ben Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@pascal

You&#039;ve answered your own question - &#039;Everything important is above the fold&#039;.

That&#039;s true, but there is also a lot more content below it. The point that is being made is don&#039;t try and cram *everything* above it.</description>
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<p>You&#8217;ve answered your own question &#8211; &#8216;Everything important is above the fold&#8217;.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s true, but there is also a lot more content below it. The point that is being made is don&#8217;t try and cram *everything* above it.</p>
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